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forbey

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It appears odd, I made a comment regarding the Moderator's inability to accept the fact that others might disagree with him and that was the reason why I disliked discussing things with him in other WVO forums (fori).

Yet, the comment, which I saw posted, has been removed.

It might also explain why there were ZERO complaints in the Complaint File.

Wonder how long this one will last.

Jay
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Since you have chosen to place your complaint in the "complaint" section it will remain as long as the forum is in operation. Your previous flame was removed from a discussion on prefiltering. Though the rules clearly indicate that flaming is not permitted I allow myself to be flamed as long as it is in the complaint section. It allows folks to blow off steam and does not tend to de-rail discussions. This also allows me to not have to deal with moderating folks much. So far only one individual has been placed on moderation (screen name "duckfana") and only two have had inappropriate comments removed from discussions.

I do not allow members to flame each other. That is completely counter productive IMO.

BTW..I saw no comment which disagreed with my POV in any of your posts. You simply appear to have been unable to respond to my suggestion you test your wvo for water content in a civil manner.  If you wish to repost it here you are welcome to do so.

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First, once again, you are being argumentative.  As you originally stated heating and settling work best. I stated that vigourous heating removes more water faster and then allowing for cooling and settling actually agreed with you, but you insisted on arguing the point.

Don't twist my words.  The fact is, in the past, whether in the Greasecar forum or several other fori, you have demonstrated an inability to accept the fact that others may disagree with you and that their methods may work just fine.

I started by responding to questions about filtering and dewatering with my process, I didn't criticise anyone else, I just stated what I have been doing, quite successfully. Your comments, while somewhat subdued, in fact, attempted to tell me that my 50,000 plus miles on WVO the way I do it, is somehow wrong, because it isn't the way you would do it.

That is simply the best way to KILL a dialogue.  There are many out there who can and do provide a wealth of information because they have done their own personal experiments and have had successes or they have debunked other theories.

As a student of the sciences with a BS in Science and part of a Masters as well as 15 years working in the field of petroleum contamination cleanup. I tend to use the Scientific Theory on whatever I'm trying.

I also tend to look forward to the input of others who can ADD to the discussion.

However, your attempt to FLAME the JTF site in your forum, while attempting to add little "ppm & ppb" comments to boost your viewers impressions of you does little to support your theories and much to demonstrate my point.

As for your HotPan test, I said, I believe twice, that during the next few days I would perform the test and let you know what I found out.

So  my "...simply appear(ing) to have been unable to respond to my (your) suggestion you (I) test your wvo for water content..." is horsemanure.

My lack of civility was, and remains, strictly related to you willingness to flame those who compete with you for a share of the informational market and your willingness to attempt to denigrate the contributions of others.

Now I fell that was quite civil...and to the point.

Jay
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However, your attempt to FLAME the JTF site in your forum,

My lack of civility was, and remains, strictly related to you
willingness to flame those who compete with you for a share of the informational
market and your willingness to attempt to denigrate the contributions
of others. 


Oh Please!!!
My warning to you about the info on JTF was far from that. Check around and you will see that no one in the biodiesel/VO fuel community believes that JTF is a good source of information. It was a friendly warning to not depend on info from JTF. As for information "market share"...we are simply not even competitive.

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As a student of the sciences with a BS in Science and part of a Masters
as well as 15 years working in the field of petroleum contamination
cleanup. I tend to use the Scientific Theory on whatever I'm trying. 


Wonderful. Then perhaps you will understand why  highly concentrated water soluble contaminants will make the use of any water detection test fairly unreliable. Again..a friendly warning was provided.

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Your comments, while somewhat subdued,
in fact, attempted to tell me that my 50,000 plus miles on WVO the way
I do it, is somehow wrong, because it isn't the way you would do it. 


Not at all. You are more than free to "do it" any way you wish. I simply provided some friendly advice. I have no control over how you interpret it. And apparently you wish to interpret it as criticizing you personally. And responded with a personal attack. Inappropriate in a technical discussion.

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That is simply the best way to KILL a dialogue.


I disagree. The BEST way to kill a discussion is a personal attack post in the middle of an otherwise civil and useful discussion.



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Which is why I protested your bad-mouthing another forum.

Thank you for supporting my decision.

Jay
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Which is why I protested your bad-mouthing another forum.


Jay,

There is a major difference between a personal attack on a forum member and a friendly warning not to trust info from JTF unless you have verified it is not misinformation. I encourage you to inquire into the reputation that JTF has earned on other forums and from others that are knowledgeable enough to know good info from bad.

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As an adult, educated human being, I am capable od deciding what information I can, and cannot trust.

I have been able to read through their pages, your pages, Greasecar's pages, InfoPop Biodiesel Pages and many more and decide what I will choose to use and what I will choose to not use.

A prime example is the JTF pages, I looked to find references in their two-tank system pages for references to Greasecar products and found nothing, nothing good, nothing bad...nothing.

Now I'm smart enough to figure out that JTF knows the what, when, where, why and how about Greasecar, and I could figure out that they were practicing the neighborly art of "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".

I believe it would have been far more professional on your part to have skipped the JTF comment and gone straight to your thoughts on the matter.

However, I have been involved in similar discussions with you in the past, as well as watched you participate in similar discussions with others to realize that you haven't practiced that yourself.

My comments, that you deleted simply brought to mind the fact that I have had similarly unpleasant experiences with you in the past.

You call it flaming here, I called it flaming there.

IMPASSE?
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Now I'm smart enough to figure out that JTF knows the what, when, where, why and how about Greasecar, and I could figure out that they were practicing the neighborly art of "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".


Or ..you are making a huge assumption regarding JTFs ability or interest in keeping abreast of info on VO fuel conversions.

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I believe it would have been far more professional on your part to have skipped the JTF comment and gone straight to your thoughts on the matter. 


We disagree then. I believe that it is much more professional to provide advice that includes warnings when they seem to be using a source of really bad information.  Kind of like saying..."Look out for that hole!" as you see someone not watching their footing when hiking.

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However, I have been involved in similar discussions with you in the past, as well as watched you participate in similar discussions with others to realize that you haven't practiced that yourself.  


Ahhh..so you came here with negative expectations.

Too bad.
When you go looking for a fight you tend to create one.
I normally assume that folks come here looking for information or to discuss information they have.
Nearly everyone else has.

But there are always one or two who have ulterior motives for posting.






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No, didn't come here with any expectations. Came looking for information. It wasn't until I got in deep did I discover the secret empire of Dana!

I never look fights and I never back down from fights.

Every now and then when a fight becomes redundant and boring, I do step away from the fight!

STEP!
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Charlie...when you personally attack someone you are definitely picking a fight.



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First, who is Charlie, I'm pretty sure my name is Jay, cuz I keep writing it in my entries.

Second, you are correct, when you picked on JTF, behind their back even. It was my duty as a full fledged GREASER to come to their defense.

And you should be ashamed of yourself.

(And, Trying to be cute won't get er done!)


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First, who is Charlie, I'm pretty sure my name is Jay, cuz I keep writing it in my entries.


Sorry..I see now that you DID sign a few of your posts "Jay".


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  when you picked on JTF, behind their back even. 

Not picking on JTF.
Just the facts.
Ask around.

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And you should be ashamed of yourself.



Speaking of being ashamed of yourself...
You are aware of the rules regarding flaming in discussions.  You are welcome to flame ME in the "complaints" section. Do it anywhere else in the forum..or to any other forum member and you only  get ONE warning.

The flaming you just posted in the dewatering was edited and you have received the only warning you will get. Do that again and you will go on moderation. It appears that you came here spoiling for a fight...and are trying to start one with me.

It's not going to happen.





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