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(Work in progress.)

OK.. I am going to be brutally honest here.
There are HUGE differences between the kit makers/vendors and their products in this industry.

Some have done virtually no research and development and simply threw together a simple kit that allows a diesel to run on VO while it slowly destroys itself. Most of these disappear within a year or two of selling their first kit.  One ( Lovecraft) has managed to last several years. If you buy a kit (some sell already "converted" cars) I can virtually guarantee that you will be unhappy with the results within 18 months. 

Others (Grease Car, Golden Fuel Systems, Plantdrive) have been around for as long as this industry has existed years and have designs based on what we knew in the industry's infancy with a few small improvements.  Small changes have been made in some of the kits to fix major deficiencies .. but they are either prevented from incorporating what experience and research of the past 5 years has shown will provide for optimum fuel and climate flexibility AND maximum engine longevity. These companies have chosen to feature simplicity and good customer service as their main "selling points". These companies kits are serviceable and in most cases can easily be "modernized" with a few relatively simple and cheap upgrades.

Finally there are companies that have chosen to produce the most well engineered conversions they can (VegiStroke and Frybrid). Some of the conversion kits they sell are nearly state of the art ..others are not. But the engineering, materials, and fabrication is top notch. Vegi-Stroke has chosen to let its product and service speak for itself. I have NEVER seen a customer complaint about either. Frybrid on the other hand has major problems with customer service and delivering complete kits within the "4 weeks" claimed in their advertising. A few customers have waited over a year for all of the components to their kit to be shipped.

Note: On 6/22/11 Frybrid announced it was no longer producing conversion kits and was uncertain if it would reopen at a later day or not.


Finally..Elsbett.
A company founded by the descendants of a great engineer.
They produce only single tank conversion kits of high quality. They are not designed to use WVO..only SVO..preferably rapeseed SVO. Customer service is spotty though delivery of kits is prompt. If you plan to use WVO in an Elsbett conversion do mot be surprised if it does not work as well as expected..or of the company refuses to honor its warranty if there are major problems.


As for "Diesel Secret"... it's a scam.

I am sure I have hurt someones feelings...some to the point I will receive threats of lawsuit for libel. So let me say...these are JUST my opinions. Those opinions are based on nearly 20 years of  VO conversion research, hundreds of emails from (often unhappy) customers from the above companies, and personal examination of every company's kits. I am not a competitor nor does any financial or personal motive exist to skew my opinion. These are the facts. Nothing more..nothing less.  If you dispute them just provide evidence that they are incorrect and I will modify them.

If you cannot do that just call me names and question my (motive/veracity/whatever) and hope that potential customers will believe you instead of verifying the facts themselves.

Side by side comparison charts for all currently
available VO conversion kits are posted in
the Kit comparison charts area of this forum.

Note:
If you are one of the conversion kit vendors
 whose kits are being evaluated here and
believe there is an error in the evaluation
please post what you believe the error is. If
 you would rather contact me privately
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email me using the subject heading Kit
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Work continues on the VO conversion kit comparison chart. The most recently added charts added are: (link to new charts). I request that you provide the below information to allow accurate representation of the  conversion kits you company offers. The daily hit count on these charts is now up to (insert current number) which indicates that many are using these charts to decide if any particular kit fits their needs and budget. If your kit is not accurately represented in these charts sales opportunities are lost daily. Vendors that provide complete information will have their listing placed in the top spot available in each chart. Those doing so first are listed in the TOP line. Those doing so second are listed in the line below. Those choosing to not participate at all are listed at the bottom.

 

To those vendors that have chosen to participate THANK YOU. Doing so makes compiling the chart information much easier. To those few that have chosen to NOT participate I encourage yo to reconsider. Though it makes my workload slightly heavier the only serious result of this choice is fewer sales of your products.

Dana Linscott
 
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VO Fuel Conversion Kit Vendor Information Request.

Please use the following format to provide/update the information regarding
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If any information is missing, incorrect or could be stated in a clearer manner please 
provide replacement information by typing or pasting it under the appropriate


"Field" line below.
If possible also include a link to an image of any component or kit listed.

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Model vehicle or engine the kit covers.
Example: Kit for pre-1987 Mercedes Sedan (two tank)


Field 1: Vendor name and link to home or specific kit page

Field 2: Kit price or price range.

Field 3: Tank description.

Field 4: Tank or fuel pickup description.

Field 5: Heated fuel line description.

Field 6: Heated filter description.

Field 7: Additional VO fuel heating component description.

Field 8: Remote fuel valve/solenoid valve description.

Field 9: Standard features not included in the above.

Field 10: Available options.

Field 11: Description of  instructions included with kit.

Field 12: Description of available technical assistance.

Field 13: Description of available installation options.

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Under construction...
Kit for  (fill in blank) (Two Tank).

Note: All of the information used in the  chart below is either from the vendors website or is supplied by the vendor. No other verification is possible currently. 

 

Vendor and link to image of whole kit

PriceTankTank
Heater

Fuel Lines

VO filter heaterAdditional VO HeatingSolenoid ValvesOther Standard FeaturesOptions

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Technical assistance available?

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*Denotes information not yet verified.


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