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Posted 17 August 2005 04:57 PM Hide Post
Find the mom and pops places. They are more likely to be at the place when you go in. Then just ask them for there oil. Some places do have to pay to have there grease removed others because of the volume do not. I have found about half are willing the other half have a contract and basicly get there grease traps cleaned for free when they have there oil removed.
 
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Posted 17 August 2005 06:24 PM Hide Post
I've found that some Chinese rest.'s are simply throwing the used fryer oil away in the 35 lb jugs.


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Also, don't just send a letter. Go there with your veg powered vehicle and talk to them. Let them smell it, explain what you are doing. Letters get thrown in the trash. HTH Smile


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Posted 18 August 2005 12:33 PM Hide Post
Try to find when the owner will be there and talk to them directly. If they are getting paid for the oil by the collection company, then you may need to try farther away. Small restaurants in out of the way places, say 1/2 hour or more outside major cities and collection routes, often have to pay insane amounts to have oil picked up. I know of one place that was paying $300 per pickup !!!

As you can imagine, they were VERY happy when I came in the door...


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Kurt, I just talked to managers, no letters, come back when they will be there if you miss them the first time.

I was also unsucessful at the local chinese place, they got enough credit to offset collecion cost. A few other restaurants were willing to donate, but had lousy looking oil; another source is the grocery store deli / bakery.
I'm getting 20-30 gallons a week from mine.

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Out here I've had really good luck with seafood type places and small diners. They do alot of deep frying, but unfortunately there will be alot of batter/cornmeal residue to deal with, and some grill grease. Chinese places usually change often to recycle fryer oil into the wonton/noodle frying, then into stir frying, and often have none leftover. Japanese style restaurants have very good oil left from the tempura frying, but in small amounts. Grocery delis are great on volume but expect alot of chicken fat. Unfortunately I've found they are often corporate owned and want corp contracts for disposal, your results may vary...


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I started by targeting Vietnameese resteraunts as their oil is dark but titrates well (fresh). But they don't produce too much (2 cubes/week).

One was locked in a contract and will sign on once said contract is over.

So I have targeted some gas sation deli type places. One was happy to offer me 4 cubes/2 weeks with two being good vegggie oil and 2 being liquid lard. They net to a fairly high (3.2) titration but are useable.

So last night I tried another one of these--surprisingly close to my house. Here is the discussion as it happened:

(me)"So what kind of oil do you guys use to fry?"

(owner)"Cooking oil."

(me) "No S*&t. I mean: soy, canola, peanut..."

(owner-chuckling) "Er..vegetable oil" (soy)

(me) "Do you pay to have it removed?"

(owner-looking wary) "Yes, but it is very, very inexpensive."

(me) "Well, if you will put the oil back in the containers it came in, I will take all of it for FREE. Yes, free."

(owner--almost intterupting me) "You can pick up Mondays and Fridays. We will set it out in the morning, you come anytime."

One wonders how much "very, very inexpensive" is compared to free. They were grinning from ear to ear and shaking my hand! Better yet, the filter with Magnesol.

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Steakhouses or grills. They grill all the meats, so no tallow in the oil. All they fry in oil is, well, fries and the ocasional battered fish or shrimp, oinio rings, that sort of thing.
This keeps the oil pretty clean and if you talk to them explaining what you want it for; good for the environment ect. they may just put it back in the original cubies and prefilter it too. Tell them the process is water sensitive so it can have no water in it.
Many restaurants marinate raw meat in oil to keep it fresh (yup, that's how they do it)and then just toss this oil in with the "waste" oil. It has trace amounts of blood in it but this doesn't get past the 5 micron filters when filtered cold and it is only a very little amount.


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Posted 25 July 2004 10:13 AM
OK folks I'm a newbie to this, and have some concerns. So far this website has provided fantastic information in my research to convert to WVO.

I've contacted three Chinese restauraunts and all three would gladly give me their used Canola oil. I took a one gallon sample home for analysis from one restauraunt, but haven't from the other two. I'd love to have your feedback as to whether my WVO sample is suitable, based on your experiences.

The oil is the color of maple syrup, and pours easily at room temperature. It doesn't smell rancid and smells like Chinese Food. I allowed the oil to settle for six days with little to no junk sitting at the bottom. The oil did not cloud, separate, or otherwise turn ugly. I filtered the oil through a coffee filter, and there were a few small particles that were trapped.

I then boiled the oil to check it's water content. During this process, there were tiny bubbles that rose to the surface, but I believe this is normal for hot oil. There was no violent bubbling associated with boiling water. I believe this means there is very little water in this oil. After allowing it to cool, there were no funky looking splotches or cooled fats floating at the top. In a small pot with about three inches of oil I could see the bottom of the pan, with no floaties in it.

Does this oil sound suitable for WVO use, or should I use oil that has better clarity?

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sounds like a keeper to me!!!!


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Any advice/suggestions when asking for the WVO? Let me know what works and what hasn't worked.
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.... and first asked for "a couple of cubes full", for testing. It did not require any "long term commitment" on their part, so they were happy to help.

Then after I got the truck converted and going, I took it up to the restaurant and showed it to them and asked if I could come up on a regular basis and pick up their waste oil for fuel.

No Problems, so far. I go there 1-2 times per week and check on waste oil cubes. Some weeks I get 1 cube, and one week, because they done some catering, I got 6 cubes! Smile

Hope this helps!

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When approaching a new potential supply of oil, I bring along my copy of FTFTTFT and point to it when I explain what I am doing.

I usually eat breakfast there and ask who the manager/owner is. Then I mention to the waitress that I run my truck on used vegetable oil. Finally, I ask if the owner/manager might be available for a few minutes.

So far, one has refused to let me take his oil because his lawyer told him he would be liable if I did something stupid and hurt myself, two have told me the oil dumbster is out back and I can help myself (they're on my backup list...,) six put the oil in cubees or five gallon pickle butckets for me (three on a regular schedule and three on an as-availavble basis,) and two of the six have referred me to other restaurants that their friends own.
 
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From a previous post of mine:

My rule about collecting oil (not for a sample): *Get permission first*!

On the greasel.com (I think) web site, there's a story about how the two guys there were out canvassing the back of local restaurants looking for oil early one weekend morning when a restaurant owner drove up with his cell phone in one hand and a firearm mounted behind him Thankfully, after some explaining and tense moments, the situation ended peacefully and I believe that the restaurant became a good source of WVO for them.

For my current source, I had to speak with multiple people at the restaurant on two separate occasions before they said it would be ok to take their oil. Besides not making a mess when I'm gathering oil, I also eat at the restaurant from time-to-time and let them know I'm supporting them just as they are supporting meSmile

So, to help avoid any confrontations with people associated with the restaurant and to keep clean the reputation of those of us collecting oil, I hope all of us will take the time and make the effort to get on good terms with those who *own* the materials you're seeking before you start taking. I dread the day when the oil containers will have padlocks on themFrown

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we get our oil from the "Grease Guy" in 55 Gallon Drums. He collects all the oil from all the restaurants in the area. We have a deal with him where he sets aside the nicest looking barrels for us. We just pay him a minimal amount for his time or do a trade. The last batch of oil we got from him was sooo nice you could almost see the bottom and had no sediment after settling. I like this deal it saves us the hassle of finding good oil in this area considering how far we are from everywhere else. John

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Two questions:

1) I live in an apartment, would storing 2 55 gallon drums in my garage be manageable? Are there offensive odors associated with processing WVO in an enclosed area? Is this something that is feasible to accomplish in while living in an apartment with a garage?

2) As far as achieving your own source of WVO, I was wondering what the collection companies do with the WVO that they get from restaraunts? Are they a source to consider?
 
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You can filter and dewater in a single 55 gallon drum based prefilter/dewatering unit.
Easily managed.

And..no the rendering companys are not usually viable sources. they tend to have only very high fat wvo which must still be prefiltered nd dewatered prior to use as fuel.


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Two questions:

1) I live in an apartment, would storing 2 55 gallon drums in my garage be manageable? Are there offensive odors associated with processing WVO in an enclosed area? Is this something that is feasible to accomplish in while living in an apartment with a garage?

2) As far as achieving your own source of WVO, I was wondering what the collection companies do with the WVO that they get from restaraunts? Are they a source to consider?


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If you have your own garage that you can lock and is your own space, I think you are good to go. It woulg really help if you have lights and a plug! I have a tiny one car garage that was split in half to make a small room for coats and shoes. I have no problem doing all my filtering ing one corner

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Two questions:

1) I live in an apartment, would storing 2 55 gallon drums in my garage be manageable? Are there offensive odors associated with processing WVO in an enclosed area? Is this something that is feasible to accomplish in while living in an apartment with a garage?

2) As far as achieving your own source of WVO, I was wondering what the collection companies do with the WVO that they get from restaraunts? Are they a source to consider?


Renderers collect both animal fat and VO and mix it together for sale to pet food companies and cosmetic companies, thier oil tends to have a high percentage of animal fat and sells fro about $0.18 a pound or $1.26 a gallon, I bought several hundred gallons and never wanted to use it as it haad solid elements at room temp.

Try to find a co-op in your area.


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Once I find a reliable source of WVO, how much work (i.e. time) is typically involved in getting 25 gallons a week? I would be using Danalinscott's 'simple handpump prefilter unit'. How much oil would I have to collect to to end up with 25 gallons of 'fuel'?
 
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I imagine a lot of that answer depends on how clean the oil is to begin with. There is always going to be some shrinkage from what you pick up and what you have after filtering, not even taking into account the occasional spill or leak, you can never totally drain any container. Then there is the small amount of oil that coats the equipment. My advice is to have a lot of rags, cardboard underfoot, buckets to keep rags in and some degreaser around. Barring anything major happening you should be pretty close to getting most of what you collect.


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Once I find a reliable source of WVO, how much work (i.e. time) is typically involved in getting 25 gallons a week? I would be using Danalinscott's 'simple handpump prefilter unit'. How much oil would I have to collect to to end up with 25 gallons of 'fuel'?


Normally to get 25 gallons of prefiltered/dewatered wvo using the SHPU you need about 25 gallons of unfilterd wvo. There is very little waste if your conversion is desinged to deal with high Melt Point wvo. Most of the more modern conversions are. I only need to disposse of about 3 gallons of sludge for every 500 gallons of wvo I process. My wvo is not exceptionall "good" in terms of particulates..but has little to no free water in it.

As for the time needed to process it..I spend about 20 minutes a week colleting 50 gallons..but I imagine it would take about as long for 25 since most of that time is drive time. If you can get your WVO source to plac ethe wvo back into cubees the pickup time is the drive time and however long it takes to load 6 cubees.

Prefiltering will take about 5 minutes or less per day. This time is mostly however long it takes to pour in 4-5 gsllons of unfiltered wvo into the prefiter uint. It has an integral reservior and handpump to allow refilling your VO tank directly from the unit. I can pump about 2.5 gal per minute at a fairly easy pace.


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